Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure 1.04

[bloodfield]

I restarted from saved game. Completed Gem path.
-Somehow I am not able to initiate starlet and frey path.
-Done first photoshoot with lara. Dunno how to go about next.

[Seztworks]

Hiya bloodfield

Two things. Are you using the newest version of the game. B025d.
If you add your L:number to your post I can check what the next step should be as there are lot of things that could be blocking your progress.

[bloodfield]

Hiya bloodfield

Two things. Are you using the newest version of the game. B025d.
If you add your L:number to your post I can check what the next step should be as there are lot of things that could be blocking your progress.

yes i am using B025d. Also had error (tool click error) duirng restore but after a command it seemed working fine.
L - 050215601621

[Seztworks]

Alrighty. Lets see if we can find something for you to do.

First thing is the bug that should have been fixed in 0.25d with Zoe love being 1 even if you have finished Gems path.
You should be getting a event in the reception when Zoe is there to push her (the last number in your L: number) up to 2 and that should unlock a large amount of new content.
I hope that works.

[bloodfield]

i think i will have to start from beginning. I had completed gem parth. But my inventory shows no camera and my rooms also was back to the old messed up one. It weird restoring saved game issue.

[Seztworks]

Ohh. Alright you must have a save from before Alpha 0.17 as that is when the camera and room changes happened. I am sorry but that I won't be able to help with. I hope you still can find some entertainment in a new run.

[nezumi69]

I don't know if it matters in the current state of the game, but I'm losing experience points (X value). I wasn't paying a lot of attention to what might be giving or removing them. I know I was at 1 after completing Gem's first photo shoot. I was at -1 after the second photo shoot.

Adding some descriptor for all the L value numbers would be helpful.

In your non-upgraded room, the description says you have 'a cabinet and desk...' and 'also an old desk in the corner'. I would think cabinet and desk should be cabinet and dresser. If you place something on the desk, it doesn't show up in the room description and probably should for people like me, who forget where they put things.
BTW, I think having exactly 1 hour a day to be able to use the shower is extremely harsh, especially if showering helps in any way.

In the 'c' version, eating cost no money after talking to Celeste about employment. In this newest version, everything still costs 5 credits. I don't know which, if either, is correct, so I'm noting this as well.

[Skelaturi]

I don't know if it matters in the current state of the game, but I'm losing experience points (X value). I wasn't paying a lot of attention to what might be giving or removing them. I know I was at 1 after completing Gem's first photo shoot. I was at -1 after the second photo shoot.

Adding some descriptor for all the L value numbers would be helpful.

In your non-upgraded room, the description says you have 'a cabinet and desk...' and 'also an old desk in the corner'. I would think cabinet and desk should be cabinet and dresser. If you place something on the desk, it doesn't show up in the room description and probably should for people like me, who forget where they put things.
BTW, I think having exactly 1 hour a day to be able to use the shower is extremely harsh, especially if showering helps in any way.

In the 'c' version, eating cost no money after talking to Celeste about employment. In this newest version, everything still costs 5 credits. I don't know which, if either, is correct, so I'm noting this as well.

Your playing on the "d" version? Cause i believe in "c" Setz mentioned there was a issue where you would lose 1 sex point / point with Zoe for doing something to soon with gem.
the 1 day showering a day is for the player Celeste is working with a tight budget for the hotel, and you are just that "new kid" who only got a job cause the boss is your uncle. She thinks very little of you so 1 hour showering a day and only 1 hour of internet. My speculation is for future versions is that you get the rights to shower on different times and in the men's showers at the rec room. And that someone is going to "surprise" you. but that is my speculation

L values is just for debugging

"c" mentioned again, i think by reloading a previous save from older version you have to redo your cooking quests etc. Cook dinner, breakfast and lunch to gain the benefit of free meals (and gaining credits for cooking). Personally i am that guy, that keeps sending Setz transcript of every play of mine for "almost" every version he puts up.

[nezumi69]

I don't know if it matters in the current state of the game, but I'm losing experience points (X value). I wasn't paying a lot of attention to what might be giving or removing them. I know I was at 1 after completing Gem's first photo shoot. I was at -1 after the second photo shoot.

Adding some descriptor for all the L value numbers would be helpful.

In your non-upgraded room, the description says you have 'a cabinet and desk...' and 'also an old desk in the corner'. I would think cabinet and desk should be cabinet and dresser. If you place something on the desk, it doesn't show up in the room description and probably should for people like me, who forget where they put things.
BTW, I think having exactly 1 hour a day to be able to use the shower is extremely harsh, especially if showering helps in any way.

In the 'c' version, eating cost no money after talking to Celeste about employment. In this newest version, everything still costs 5 credits. I don't know which, if either, is correct, so I'm noting this as well.

Your playing on the "d" version? Cause i believe in "c" Setz mentioned there was a issue where you would lose 1 sex point / point with Zoe for doing something to soon with gem.
the 1 day showering a day is for the player Celeste is working with a tight budget for the hotel, and you are just that "new kid" who only got a job cause the boss is your uncle. She thinks very little of you so 1 hour showering a day and only 1 hour of internet. My speculation is for future versions is that you get the rights to shower on different times and in the men's showers at the rec room. And that someone is going to "surprise" you. but that is my speculation

L values is just for debugging

"c" mentioned again, i think by reloading a previous save from older version you have to redo your cooking quests etc. Cook dinner, breakfast and lunch to gain the benefit of free meals (and gaining credits for cooking). Personally i am that guy, that keeps sending Setz transcript of every play of mine for "almost" every version he puts up.

Yes, it happened in both c and d versions, which is why I mentioned it here. I've only played twice so far (and didn't end up going very far either time for non game reasons), once with each version, and started from scratch both times, so I'm not getting corrupted or old save incompatibility. I am using 5.0.32.1 version of Adrift 5.

[Seztworks]

Hiya nezumi69
Thanks for your interest in the game.

Skelaturi has already answered some of your questions. I will add my stuff below.

I am still looking for the X bugs and will take a look at the area between Gems photo shoots. Thanks for your input.
L number is for debugging. I did consider removing it for the final release but it might be helpful for any future walkthrough, so for now it is staying.
Your points about room descriptions are fair and something I will look into.
There might be future unlocks of further showers and other useful items. Right now it is locked because of different, things but mostly because it gives me a way to lock how much energy you have available at specific times of the day.
The costs for eating/cooking is linked to cooking and not Celeste as such. So hope your are just a but behind on your cooking in your d run.

[nezumi69]

Hiya nezumi69
Thanks for your interest in the game.

Skelaturi has already answered some of your questions. I will add my stuff below.

I am still looking for the X bugs and will take a look at the area between Gems photo shoots. Thanks for your input.
L number is for debugging. I did consider removing it for the final release but it might be helpful for any future walkthrough, so for now it is staying.
Your points about room descriptions are fair and something I will look into.
There might be future unlocks of further showers and other useful items. Right now it is locked because of different, things but mostly because it gives me a way to lock how much energy you have available at specific times of the day.
The costs for eating/cooking is linked to cooking and not Celeste as such. So hope your are just a but behind on your cooking in your d run.

Hmmm, I know for sure I wasn't cooking every time in my version c run, but I wasn't getting charged. I'm fairly sure I was at least cooking on occasion during the version D run and was getting charged every time. Is this supposed to only charge you when you don't cook, or once you cook <x> number of times you no longer get charged ever for eating?

I guess the shower thing isn't a big deal yet, since the only thing it seems to do is give an extra energy point. As long as cleanliness doesn't become an obstacle for advancing, the shower isn't important. As for the L numbers, even if they're not staying it may be worth defining them within the game window so that your 'testers' can see if an action actually had an effect on a girl when it was supposed to do so. They can do so as is, but it's easy to misread in its current form.

Edit:

Ok, after re-reading most of the thread looking for something else, I saw you reference cooking as a number that advances like the relationship and Xp scores. I don't remember getting an indicator from the game that I succeeded in cooking enough to receive a reward during my version c run, but maybe I did. I'll give d another run tomorrow if/when I can and hopefully I'll remember to transcript this time.
After trying a little something, I think the Xp loss is coming from not cooking ANY meal during a day. Or at least not cooking for the dinner meal. I loaded a save that started at 6. Showered, ate, waited 1 hour, trained, then worked twice. After the second work, which took me to 1900, I lost 2 Xp.
Again, I don't know which version of Adrift you're using, but I'm not using the most current version, so that could be a factor.

[Seztworks]

Alrighty cool.

I will test the things you have mentioned.

You are right that credit costs for eating is dependent on cooking more then a certain amount over time. You should get a thank you event when you cross the required amount but it can be missed as it only a couple of lines from Zoe when you pass through the lounge. I am slowly converting all these short messages to "stop" events to require a keyboard press,

Very good feedback regarding the X bug. There was a bug in the work task for 15-19 that cost 2 experience instead of 2 endurance. Fixed for the next release. Great.

[nezumi69]

Alrighty cool.

I will test the things you have mentioned.

You are right that credit costs for eating is dependent on cooking more then a certain amount over time. You should get a thank you event when you cross the required amount but it can be missed as it only a couple of lines from Zoe when you pass through the lounge. I am slowly converting all these short messages to "stop" events to require a keyboard press,

Very good feedback regarding the X bug. There was a bug in the work task for 15-19 that cost 2 experience instead of 2 endurance. Fixed for the next release. Great.

One other thing I noted when playing around a little just now...

I walked into the lounge at 700 and a news report was playing about global warming, and scruffy ran downstairs. Now, my room description only says "Your room. Only exit is east. Old desk in corner." and no longer pops up the room graphic. I had cleaned the mold, but that was the only room 'upgrade' I had thus far.

Oh, I forgot to mention the graphics. The pictures want to stretch to fit the graphics window, which can result in some 'funhouse mirror' type of warped pictures. I thought I saw other Adrift 5 programmers have this problem, so there may not be something you can do about it, but may be something to look into.

[Seztworks]

I will look into the room stuff. You should at least get the picture.

The stretch thing is an issue in adrift. I set every picture to be fit window, keep aspect but the runner ignores this sometimes.
If you during play rightclick the picture to change it back to fit window, keep aspect it should then remember this for future runs. I hope this is fixed in adrift soon.

[redle]

Started playing with the new version. I know I've mentioned in the past the need to continually make information available to the player. Here's the latest example...

Was at the stage of being assigned Gem's first photo shoot. This requires the player to request a camera from Celeste (pretty sure at some point I mentioned an offshoot of this current problem). Anyway, of course Celeste demands that the player not only asks for the camera, but that he also type the word "please".

I could argue that this is for a client, and so if the player refuses to say please, Celeste would still go and buy the camera. She might punish the player in some other way, but refusing to buy the camera ultimately hurts the hotel's reputation (as the client doesn't get what they want). So she wouldn't do it this way. That's a side argument though, and it really doesn't bother me that much how it currently is.

That said, the real problem isn't in what needs to be done, but in a lack of continued player feedback. If a player happens to not read the paragraph closely enough (like me having done it before and so at best skimming text I've been through before), I can completely miss/forget to ever type the word please. I continue playing the game. Whenever I realize that the camera never showed up (that I don't have one, whatever), I then likely go back to Celeste and ask her about the camera (thinking either that I forgot to ever ask her, or that there was some other step she still needs [assuming I am not stuck even earlier and didn't realize Frey told me I needed to ask Celeste... but that's another issue all together]). So I'm back at Celeste and ask her about the camera again. I'm simply told that, "You have already asked her about that." So now I am stuck. I have no way to proceed with the game at all.

(Yes, if I didn't save/quit at some point I can possibly endlessly scroll through the entire transcript of the game and hope to find where I went wrong. Or, yes, I can possibly search through the forum and look for a walkthrough. While these both have the potential to work, they aren't fun, nor part of playing the game.)

Long story short, Celeste's follow-up comments need to continue telling the player to say "please", or the camera needs to arrive anyway (with some non-permanent punishment, such as garnished wages for a few days or whatever).