tlaero wrote:
I will admit to what I'm realizing is a sexist view here that a guy waking up to a naked woman is excited, where the reverse wouldn't be true. I would not have thought the scene was okay were the sexes reversed. That's ... interesting. I could very well have had Marc say, "Chloe, I don't want this" and had her untie him and leave. But, truth be told, I had no concept of any player who intentionally got to this point in the game WANTING to say no. Again, this scene is for the player who wants to see some deviance. There's not much point to setting the scene up and then skipping it.
That said, someone pointed out earlier in the thread that I really haven't given people the option to NOT play these "deviant" scenes, because you need them to get the achievements and see the "good" bonus scene. That was something I hadn't considered when I made this game, and I'm thinking that through for future games. I said this before, but if anyone is disturbed by the non-good path and wants to see the bonus, send me a PM and I'll tell them how to skip to it.
Tlaero
I think having deviant or somewhat kinky routes is certainly an interesting approach as there are certainly at least as many players who want some depravity as those who want a pure love story. Having a choice instead of being forced into a fixed path is definitely a plus.
Still, were Marc married to someone(or had some girlfriend whom he wholeheartedly loves) else would he still agree to some kinky sex with a chick whom he finds attractive? It would sound a bit lame if a guy did not have any principles or was so weak willed that he could betray someone he cares for because the tingling in the pants is too strong. Granted, there are many guys who would likely even force themselves on an attractive girl like Chloe with no questions asked but I believe that there must be some guys out there who would say the magical world "NO" too.
Regarding achievements couldn't one get an achievement like "Being Heroic has benefits" if one helps a girl through the entire game and agrees to have sex with her by the end even if he feels only lust and zero love towards her BUT there is also a "Chivalrous Hero" or "Friend to the end" trophy where a guy does not agree for sex either because he does not love the chick in question/because he would feel insulted if he was rewarded like that for was to him a selfless act or simply because he wants them to stay friends? A different achievement for a different approach and requiring going through the game twice(while perhaps making different choices that would shape the Player character personality in such a way that he would become either a kinky pervert, a romantic hero or a platonic best friend.
Of course the more branches and possibilities there are the longer it takes to make a game so it clearly requires more effort.
Mortze wrote:jk103 wrote:I must confess that if the scene was the other way around, with Chloe being the one tied up, I might have had problems rendering it. I know it shouldn't really make any difference if the victim is a boy or a girl, but I admit it is stronger than me. I guess that knowing that it was pervert Marc there, fulfilling his lew desires, that made me be ok with the scene.
And because I found some comicity in havng MArc wake up naked and tied to a bed. Yes, in RL it is a crime, but in a comic, movie or game it is funny. Funny because the guy eventually desires it. Had he said NO then the scene would have been over real quickly.
Those double standards are unfortunately something that most of us find hard to see differently even if we force all logic into us. Chicks face the double standard in a negative way too like for example...how many feel contempt for a guy who "scored" many girls? Why so many refer to such guy as a "Sex God" or "What a player" while a girl who had many sexual partners is hardly ever praised and instead called a "slut" or "village bicycle"?
And of course in sex themed games it is even more difficult to discard such views as it is only a game and it does not have to represent reality at its fullest.
Still...if Marc was a 7 year old boy(who has no interest in sex whatsoever) and Chloe was a sex crazed chick who got some lust over little boys I kinda doubt you would stomach such a sex scene either.^^
And well...the trope of a guy making a girl fall in love with him via pleasure even if she was not into him initially is quite a stample of japanese hentai games lol. So I guess this was a reverse case of that...in a way.