Crane wrote:There are a lot of stuff out there much worse than anything in virtual reality but that does`t make "bad" virtual stuff any better. The problem becomes worse when they mix up. You can`t deny when playing or watching something you don`t like that stuff becomes more acceptable. We all have experienced that.
I`m not talking about censorship. It`s not possible and i`m not a hypocrite. Like almost everybody else i`ve watched or played stuff not exactly "legal" or "normal" including incest. But it`s not the same saying "hey it`s normal". No, it`s not.
First it was said: Incest is not a bad thing if consensual.
Then: Which is age of consent?
Depends what you mean by 'normal'. Such as: "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected." (first definition), so by that standard, was gay ever normal? In a lot of countries it still isn't. In some you can get killed just because you are gay.
The issue with consent is on state/country-by-country basis. A kid can decide he's transgender. A kid (if supported by parents - I'm not sure if accurate, but from what I've read about, it seems to be possible - at 16, and I'm unsure if possible at earlier age) can take hormones, if parents allow him. But what does a kid know? It's not like kids don't play make believe, it's not like there aren't those who think they are transgender just because they wear different clothing, etc.
Obviously, it's an issue. No, a person at that age can't make such a decision imo, but the same worry was about gay people before, as far I remember.
Sarchx wrote:As for the whole videogame/watching porn/killerstuff thing : There have been so many studies done about the effects of movies and games
There were 2 studies regarding games in the last few years that I've heard of, and how they are 'bad' for people, but both have been retracted (one because it was inaccurate, another because the one that did the study wasn't available/it was inaccurate, so the people that participated in creating the study retracted it).
Crane wrote:Parents are supposed to protect their children not to fuck them.
It's not only about parents, though. And saying not 'all' movies is slightly misleading, it'd be more accurate to say "nearly all movies don't have such impact", and even then it can mean that a significant, even if small, amount do. I'd say that the whole argument is iffy imo, and it's solved by teaching children that a) something isn't right, and b) why it isn't right.
It's not like people don't have an urge to kill/harm people, hell, countless serial killers both male and female show otherwise. But you can see why it's wrong if you are a rational person, sort of like you can see doing something a) against someone's will, or b) with someone younger whose brain hasn't developed fully, isn't right. Most people can, too, if they are taught so.
Anyhow, the argument to begin with was "If a) adult, b) consensual)". There's reason why in most parts of modern world, it'd be considered rape, even if not related. It's not like some people don't ignore the law, though. Like that woman that had sex with 3 14-15 year old boys, or countless female teachers, some of which even got pregnant. And the other argument was; there's nothing wrong with depicting such things, either in drawings, games, or actual porn, because most people won't be influenced by it; or better said, nearly all. Fantasy isn't the same thing as reality. Nearly everyone in this world can attest to that; and there's a difference between not liking/being into something, and trying to restrict it. A few days back, a female student got docked grade on her assignment because she used the word 'mankind' (sexist). There are people against/for everything, really.
I think I get your point though, but since there's nothing to show any of this could really have a big impact (or even any sort of significant impact) on influencing people into doing things they otherwise wouldn't, well...
But as I pointed out, even books can 'influence' people. You could argue that Fifty Shades of Gray influenced people into trying out BDSM; if you search enough, you'll find such posts, and maybe even articles. But to be influenced into something like that, they'd have to be at least somewhat open minded towards it, no? So just because x influenced y to consider something, it could have happened days later anyway if someone brought up something, or if y saw another movie, novel, or even witnessed someone being spanked.
What I find interesting, though, is that most arguments I've seen against incest seem to mirror those arguments in one way or the other, that were used in the past against gay people. I'm not saying though, it should be fully legalized. I'm more considering the possibility, which is the case, that some people as adults may decide to pursue it, and that they shouldn't be punished for it. That's all.