by Fascination » Sun, 17Apr02 04:23
I've been passing by for a while, and finally decided to register after I saw this thread.
Incest in itself isn't bad, and the issue of offspring that was pointed out is fairly easily avoidable, most of the time. The issue with incest is abuse, whether the person - regardless of gender - was underage when it started, or for that matter were they 'groomed' to accept incest. When it comes to consenting adults - there is nothing really wrong, in my honest opinion. Sure, it's not socially acceptable, but being gay isn't socially acceptable in some parts of the world. Being trans isn't (some gay people in some countries are forced to transition, though, whether they want to or not).
Another issue of 'relationships' that was pointed out, and it being ehh changed, if I recall, it's not really an issue. Relationships change to begin with, especially as you and others change, and people can love same people in different ways - or more people for that matter, treat them with respect, etc, regardless of whether or not they are having sex.
Hell, even bestiality by itself isn't wrong - the part of it being wrong is, a) possibilities for abuse (a bit hypocritical, though, because we kill animals anyway on daily basis), and b) 'animals can't consent' - which I'd argue that they can; have you never had a dog hump your leg? Ever?
The thing is, morality is a human concept; there is no objective, universal morality (to our knowledge). You think anything will happen when humanity dies out? Now, you can base it on bible, etc, if you are a believer, but bible says a lot of stuff. It shows God killed millions of people; while devil killed a way less.
But, even so, none of this is morally wrong - because it doesn't hurt anyone. The same way being gay doesn't hurt anyone, or trans.
The issue I think you are trying to point out though, is that showing it in art/games/movies, it normalizes it, and honestly that line of thinking (to me) is off-putting - though obviously you can have whatever opinion you want. The reason why I find it off-putting (along with being illogical), is because self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors hold fairly the same view. And feminists, quite a lot. You can't talk about this, because rape apologia (disagreeing with overblown statistics), talking about muslims is racist, wanting controlled border is racist, all of it is used to fuel protests and shut down people; both online and in real life, where in America and UK more than a few speakers on colleges have been shut down.
Rape jokes are a huge no-no, because it 'normalizes' rape. Sexual objectification of women, 'normalizes' sexual violence towards women. Porn does too, but so do adds catering to women, and men. Everything is sexist. Everything is problematic (exact words a feminist used). There was a woman also, from BBC3 that bothered a japanese manga and anime artist for 3 hours over his 'dirty' drawings, to the point where she said they should be outlawed (but the thing she argued about had practically zero dirty things, unless you count a short bath scene, and another similar).
The issue is, saying so, would make it appear that violent movies cause violence. That violent games cause violence. The latter has been debunked and proven false quite often. But Islam, however, does ban a lot of western stuff - especially ISIS. In fact, such views align quite a lot with it, where they executed a boy for listening western music. In Britan, a girl was harassed and brought to tears for twerking with her female friend, and for being a muslim naturally, and such music in Islam is 'haram' (often).
But humans are dirty. In fact, if they weren't, then muslims wouldn't rape people - gang-rape often times - would they? ISIS wouldn't either, because they don't have as much access to things like this. Hell, in history there'd be zero to next rape and murder, because things like porn didn't exist. But history proves otherwise. Internet proves otherwise; I'm not sure if it was was or sexual violence, but it went down as internet was introduced, country by country - google and you'll find it yourself. Even worse is, some muslims recently called for a death penalty of an atheist - just because of 'blasphemy'.
I know this is a bit long, but eh.
Those arguing for things like these - SJWs in particular, don't realize that some day, there might be different leaders in this world, and opposing views that may disagree with theirs - so some day sex might be banned, dying hair blue might be banned, gay sex might be banned, etc. Hell, what if one day people get executed for saying sexist things, racist things, or simply being a religious person?
It's idiocy. It's thought control. It won't help. It'd just make people mad.
What's even worse, though, is you point that just because one might have a fetish involving incest, bestiality, etc, means they want to do it. As a fantasy, I may find it enjoyable, but in real life not really. I have zero desire to do either. I may think it's okay, and if someone wants to and everyone is into it - good for them. The issue becomes if you can't separate fantasy from reality, but what's worse is, trying to control people imo.
Hell, now that I think about it, I could probably argue how being into animals is better than being into humans; in fact, animals tend to be better than humans, won't hurt you emotionally, cheat on you, or fuck you over, don't give a shit how you look or whether you have a tight pussy or a big cock, etc, etc. You could easily argue that being a Zoophile (people that love animals) is more right, and better, than being a person that loves humans. About the only counter arguments I can think of is, we can understand humans/they are more intelligent, and... ? That's about it. Oh, you can get people pregnant.