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Re: Good news from abroad...

Postby WhiteFireDaemon » Sat, 17Dec02 09:29

I have to say that I find your willingness to censor content that you personally don't like quite disturbing. If Patreon had instead banned hardcore porn instead or even porn in it's entirety, you'd most likely have a vary different opinion. Do gay people have the right to take away your hetero porn? What if it was a ban on tattoo/piercing/interracial/anal/BDSM porn? This is a serious set back for free speech rights and anyone who thinks otherwise clearly doesn't fully grasp the gravity of the problem. You may be happy because you don't like the content they're banning, but as the saying goes "Hate speech is free speech". You should be fighting to stop censorship.

I won't argue the legality or morality of incest porn and to try to argue pedophilia would be to tie my own noose, but I do remember reading something once that speculated that Japan's fetish porn actually helped to reduce sex related crimes. What if by taking away the porn that these people enjoy just exacerbates sex crime rates? Taking away incest porn isn't going to make people stop liking it, they're just going to be frustrated that they can't get it.

If you aren't willing to fight Patreon's censorship, then I hope you don't complain when they next encroach on something you do appreciate.
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Re: Good news from abroad...

Postby Sarchx » Sat, 17Dec02 10:28

Patreon can impose it on whatever it likes. It's a private company, and they will do as they see fit, to keep it profitable. Let's not forget that.
To be honest, I'm surprised they haven't done it earlier.
I agree they didn't handle it very well, as I think they should have send a warning to the creators prior to the changes in policy being made, instead of suspending accounts first and trying to sort it out later.

In general, I think most people are opposed to censorship but at the same time, there's some things they don't want available on the net.
I'm sure you all can think of a couple of things, if you put your mind to it.
Therefore, it will always be up to the morale of the site owner, what content they will make it available to.
If that means, they loose traffic/customers, then that's the consequence the site owner must accept.

I'm not going go into legal issues that could surround the censorship, or lack of, as I have no idea about legislation or how it works across borders - but if it's not a problem legally, and you can actually make money of a uncensored patreonlike site, then I have no doubts that we will see an alternative pop up somewhere.
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Re: Good news from abroad...

Postby PinkVendeta » Sat, 17Dec02 15:02

To be honest, I kind of had a gut feeling this was coming a long time back and I do not think this is the end of it either.

They want the term incest removed, and they want the entire storyline in a game edited to remove, mom, son, dad, daughter, neice and so on, many big patreon devs have had to go into their games and do all asked or face a perm ban, I mean the big incest games makers, some of them are earning over 20,000 per month making incest games and games with mind control, magic mind control, incest, bestiality, underage clearly, but stating they all models are 18 or over :lol:

I think this is just the start of what patreon plan to do, as clearly 90+% of games on patreon were incest/bestiality/underage/mind control and so on and on, it was to much in reality, and no dev needs over 20,000 per month to pay his bills :lol:
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Re: Good news from abroad...

Postby Tao Dude » Sun, 17Dec03 16:19

PinkVendeta wrote: no dev needs over 20,000 per month to pay his bills :lol:

Unless they are employing a team of programmers and artists, as some can afford to do. It would be interesting to see how many are declaring the income to the tax authorities, mind you it's arguable that income from the internet is offshore income if the patrons are not in the same country as the Dev.
This is not about legality or morality, or even censorship: there is little drive to stamp out games and films like Grand Theft Auto that glorify other immoral/illegal acts that arguably do more harm to society and the individuals affected than incest between consenting adults. It's about power and influence: one person's freedom of speech is another person's oppression.
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Re: Good news from abroad...

Postby PinkVendeta » Sun, 17Dec03 22:58

Tao Dude wrote:
PinkVendeta wrote: no dev needs over 20,000 per month to pay his bills :lol:

Unless they are employing a team of programmers and artists, as some can afford to do. It would be interesting to see how many are declaring the income to the tax authorities, mind you it's arguable that income from the internet is offshore income if the patrons are not in the same country as the Dev.
This is not about legality or morality, or even censorship: there is little drive to stamp out games and films like Grand Theft Auto that glorify other immoral/illegal acts that arguably do more harm to society and the individuals affected than incest between consenting adults. It's about power and influence: one person's freedom of speech is another person's oppression.

Very good point on the tax bit, I was gonna say that also prior, but had a blond moment and forgot to say it :D , tax free earnings to the tune of over 20,000 per month, given in donations but not to a charity :lol: , Im a sure both the IRS and European taxman could have a field day on patreon [img]smile/eek.gif[/img]

As the saying goes, Each To Their Own.

I dont like or agree with these things in the real world, or in games, and thus I avoid them and I do not put up with them in my life.
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