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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Skelaturi » Tue, 15Dec08 20:40

updated as i went on with a playthrough. Will send you a transcript of how my game looked in a pm Setzworks
- trucia's missing intro does not count for the .exe , atleast i didn't misss it
- intro with celeste no longer shows employees in red, is that intentional?
------ ok 1 line later i got that intro to frey and taylor photowise, bit weird that the boss is carrying around photo's like that. Personally i would have gone with a tour or something. But atleast it will fix the wanking to taylor for now ^^
-- gotta pay a basic need like food, but atleast the wifi is free >.>
----------- aweseome its a reward
-- skipped over this last version, when you do x frey it says "frey has perky breast" shouldn't that be breasts?


-- i was in restaurant and saw gem/the model
> ask model about name
She looks a bit confused.
"I thought the staff here knew everything they needed to know. Well whatever. My name is he."

after that i knew her name when i saw her, but she introduced herself as he

-- at 1800 mixed message

> look into hole
You lean closer to the wall and take a look into the hole. In the shower room on the other side you see a lovely sight as Taylor is cleaning herself off. You could wank to her if you wanted.
Nobody on the other side right now. Damn it.

> wank
There is nobody in the shower right now. Better luck at another time.

- day 2 already have Zoe asking me to take lotion to gem on the roof, no acces yet

- wait commands works btw, standard in most other Aif's wait and z are the same, would you mind editing the "z"to be the same as the current "wait" ^^?

- this line gives a impression you can spy on gem in your room. (its the one after 19:00 rec tasks)
With that she gives you a small wave and goes into the showers. If only you could follow her.

- you can share pictures endlessly with Scruffy, even if you already got your bed earlier you still lose 500 each time
------ this bug is prior to when you find about that 1 thing. But computer can be bought prior to that 1 thing. Even if he says after that 1 thing what the cost is
------------------- after this the share picture (only 1 about frey) doesn't add up, have not encountered that one with frey, so how can i share it

think i am done not 100% sure
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Tue, 15Dec08 20:58

Great Scott!. You work fast. Thanks again Skelaturi.
- Employee intro solves some problems I had with order of introductions. The idea is that she has employee photos on file on her tab. As you might have noticed the tech for recording and such is slightly advanced.
- I will take a look at Frey's breasts at once.
- Still fighting with Adrift about names and Gem seems to be the latest victim. She should not go under he.
- I cleaned up the wank times. But seems Taylor has slipped back in at a 2. time. She will get the boot asap.
- Yeah Zoe is eager or the changes to Gem can release the lotion before Celeste has given access to the 2. floor. Gonna get fixed.
- Am going to change the Gem shower line. Didn't want to give to much false hope.
- Alright Scruffy is often weird but that is over the line even for him. Will have a word to make order of events clear to him.

Goodie. All good.
P.S. Your transcript is gold.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Skelaturi » Tue, 15Dec08 21:02

Seztworks wrote:Great Scott!. You work fast. Thanks again Skelaturi.
- Employee intro solves some problems I had with order of introductions. The idea is that she has employee photos on file on her tab. As you might have noticed the tech for recording and such is slightly advanced.
- I will take a look at Frey's breasts at once.
- Still fighting with Adrift about names and Gem seems to be the latest victim. She should not go under he.
- I cleaned up the wank times. But seems Taylor has slipped back in at a 2. time. She will get the boot asap.
- Yeah Zoe is eager or the changes to Gem can release the lotion before Celeste has given access to the 2. floor. Gonna get fixed.
- Am going to change the Gem shower line. Didn't want to give to much false hope.
- Alright Scruffy is often weird but that is over the line even for him. Will have a word to make order of events clear to him.

Goodie. All good.



you answer fast =P.

sidenote

That 1 hentai pic, while i personally have nothing against it. I feel its out of place in the game. Cause it uses already real pictures. But thats my opinion. Lets see others aswell
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Tue, 15Dec08 21:15

Regarding internet use
The different pictures when surfing porn are meant as inspiration to the player character and showing him branching out from mainstream porn and into "different" stuff. Every picture may or may not put ideas into his head about acts he might want to perform. The light "fetish" pictures you access after getting the awesome computer are test runs. But might not be something he can use as such. At least not yet. :)
If people don't like the picture or think it breaks immersion please let me know.


Known issue:
The bus arrives and never leaves. I did not intend for it to be there in this release but forgot to remove it after basic testing.
Adrift seems to ignore a lot of "Show only once" tags. Does cause a lot of text repeats that are not intended. Will look into a solution.
Bonus pay for extreme cooking does not work at the moment.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Trucla » Tue, 15Dec08 22:41

Seztworks, can you check your PM box please?
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Tue, 15Dec08 23:22

PM answered. Thanks.

Skelaturi transcript notes.
A goldmine of improvements. You did well with trying to break my stuff :)
Being able to share pictures of Frey before seeing her naked is broken and fixed in the next version.
Don't know if you have seen Frey naked in any of your other sessions. (Not counting shower scene). But that path does have a lot of content that you did not see in your transcript. She should be willing to answer questions about her past and there are bunch of keywords. But very much interested in what you would like to ask. You tried technique but that is for a later event and might not event be implemented right now.
An important story bug was shown as well. Not blocking any scenes at the moment but good that I found out about it now.'
But yes a lot of good stuff besides.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Skelaturi » Tue, 15Dec08 23:26

Seztworks wrote:PM answered. Thanks.

Skelaturi transcript notes.
A goldmine of improvements. You did well with trying to break my stuff :)
Being able to share pictures of Frey before seeing her naked is broken and fixed in the next version.
Don't know if you have seen Frey naked in any of your other sessions. (Not counting shower scene). But that path does have a lot of content that you did not see in your transcript. She should be willing to answer questions about her past and there are bunch of keywords. But very much interested in what you would like to ask. You tried technique but that is for a later event and might not event be implemented right now.
An important story bug was shown as well. Not blocking any scenes at the moment but good that I found out about it now.'
But yes a lot of good stuff besides.


Well that means i gotta relaunch the game and check out all that stuff i missed.

edit: of course got to start a new game, cause i forgot to save. Silly me, then again running a transcript again.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Wed, 15Dec09 00:18

Ohh. You don't have to do that. A lot of work for something I can test if needed.
But yeah saves are good. I forget all the time as well...think I have played through at least 10 times so far.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby karrek » Wed, 15Dec09 00:26

So is it recommended to use the exe or blorb version, or does it matter?
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Skelaturi » Wed, 15Dec09 00:34

Seztworks wrote:Ohh. You don't have to do that. A lot of work for something I can test if needed.
But yeah saves are good. I forget all the time as well...think I have played through at least 10 times so far.


hey i wanted to see the scene and got it.

so said before, scruffy can get the share of the picture before the actual scene happened
Scruffy also doesn't wants me to share the picture from Frey if i do not have enough money, but when reached no deduction in money.


karrek wrote:So is it recommended to use the exe or blorb version, or does it matter?


It should not matter, but Trucia seemed to have had a problem with the blorb version as mentioned on page 4
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Wed, 15Dec09 00:37

They are both the same version. The exe is faster if you don't have Adrift installed. But it does contain false virus positives according to some antivirus software. This is linked to adrift and we are pretty sure everything is clean.
I have tested the Blorb and found no issues. Might be a linux thing as the runner version might not match up.

Skelaturi feedback
Yeah scruffy is being a dick. Will fix.
If you want to dive deeper there are at least 3 scenes with Frey at the moment. But the last one does require the large computer upgrade.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby redle » Wed, 15Dec09 04:04

Just adding to my running commentary of notes.

Making the word "cabinet" in red during the beginning sequence is a bit of overkill. Objects that can be seen and interacted with are findable by the player without help. The words you need to supply are ones that the player has no other way to know they are used within the game.

I do feel like Zoe should mention that the lounge is to the south. During the intro, she says something like, "Oh, you can go through that door there." In real life, such a comment would would be accompanied by a hand gesture to indicate which door. In the text game we have no such clues. Therefore her words need to be more informative to supply the extra information. (yes, I know the player can find the room anyway. It doesn't break anything if she doesn't say it is to the south. It is still good form to do so.)

It doesn't seem right that Celeste specifically tells us that we have a shower we can use in our room, but we don't. I presume this is intended to clue us in to a room upgrade system. At a bare minimum, Celeste needs to have a conversation topic about it. "ask celeste about shower" could result with something like, "No, I was aware it didn't work. That is now your room, however. Any repairs or improvements are your responsibility, not ours." (obviously if you do something like this the topic would need to have a check to see if the shower had already been fixed, and then respond differently)

Celeste does now clue the player in to the fact that meals can be had in this game. This is a step in the right direction. That said, there is no mention within the game of the specific commands required to do so. I would think right now a new player would be likely to try things such as, "buy meal". I haven't searched to see if there is some way to discover the eat dinner, etc, commands, but there needs to be a way.

I noticed the bus in the lobby. This will be a good addition. It should provide the means to use it though. One possibility would be...
>examine bus
A bus sits just outside the lobby. The shuttle service is provided by the hotel. All you need to do is say you want to travel to destination. (Yes, the travel keyword is told elsewhere. Still useful to have it where it is used. Wouldn't be a bad idea to also put in a response for those that literally type "travel to destination" and tell them their target location might need to be a bit more specific.

Not done much with the current release, so I'll end with one last one. A few times in the game I have come to a part that shows several pictures consecutively and gives a separate story blurb with each one. The problem I have with these is I generally don't realize this is going to happen. This is a game where I need to type all my commands. I reach one of these points, and think I need to add more input to continue the story. I start typing something and every letter I press advances the story 1 more step. This means I always miss at least 1 of the pictures, and more likely miss 3 or 4 or more. Then I also need to scroll back through the text to try to find the story bits that also scrolled by. It my be better if it were a "return/enter" to advance, rather than any key (although you would certainly need to put text on the screen saying to press enter to continue).


Edited post below....
After I got a bit more time to look at the new release
At some point in this playthrough, and also in playing v.10, my XP counter changes from the starting point of 0 to a negative 2. I don't know what/how xp has to do with anything in this game, but negative total value seems wrong regardless.

On Frey: I never would have asked about her outfit in the diner in a million years. Didn't seem anything out of the ordinary of what I was expecting. That said, when I got to her on the roof, that outfit seemed worth commenting. Anyway, I asked and her response showed a picture of her in her waitress uniform rather than the dress. Obviously I was expected to ask the question while she was working. Not saying it needs to change (because as I said, I would never have triggered it if it actually worked as intended), but pointing it out anyway.

Also on the rooftop with Frey: asking her about porn is somewhat broken. In the restaurant the game tells me that the time is inappropriate for asking. Presumably I should ask when she is on the roof or elsewhere. Asking on the roof gives a response that "Frey is not here", even though she is (I believe the same response happens asking Frey in the gym).

Not sure I understand the concept that eventually I've seen all the porn that my old laptop can show, and I need a better computer to view more porn. Not sure if a newer computer has been implemented yet. I'm guessing we will buy it from the internet, just like the camera. It's possible I just don't have enough money yet. Either way, as others have mentioned, it is kind of messed up to only be able to see actions/items after we have enough money. Same thing with conversation topics. If I decide I need a computer; look somewhere to buy one; and get a response that basically says they don't know what I'm talking about, I won't return later with more money and try again.

As I said, same with conversation topics. If I ask Scruffy about room, he has no idea what I'm talking about. Then later, when I have more money or cause some other trigger, suddenly it becomes a required conversation tree I need to do. I already tried that once and the game told me that I was wrong, it doesn't work. Most times I'm simply never going to try it again. The game can't treat these types of interactions as though they are the same as every other activity that doesn't exist in the game. Not having them work until all the triggers are done is fine. Until that point the game needs to give other responses though. "Your room? Ask me later."

Not sure if the studio is just a stub at the moment or what. Basically I can take a cab to get there, but once I'm there I don't see any interactions that can be done, nor any way to return to the hotel (other than if I have enough energy to work or it's late enough to sleep, since those activities jump me already).

Don't really like the buy camera implementation. We are told we can buy it on the internet. Then we need to wait until 23, of course. Then typing "use internet" looks at porn and it is now 24 and wifi doesn't work. I wanted to use the internet to buy a camera, not look at porn. Same could be said for use laptop or anything else. Yes, there is "undo" or can wait until the end of the next day and try again until eventually you blindly type buy camera. It's one of those bugs that doesn't really break anything, and is completely solvable, but is also incredibly annoying. I tried to do one thing and you actually made me do something completely different.

Also find it odd that we can email pictures to Gem at any time of the day even though our computer doesn't actually connect online. Don't get me wrong, I would be annoyed if I tried sending them at some other time and was told that I had to wait until 23 to send them. Still doesn't mean it makes any sense.

Also we take these photos and the game even makes several mentions like we are gathering our own collection. Seems like we should have access to peruse them. Not found a way to do so, although it may be there.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.11

Postby Seztworks » Wed, 15Dec09 13:52

Good good stuff redle.
- Zoe will be more clear in her directions.
- The shower should be working. But just as with the wifi it is locked to a specific time of day. I added the color hint to show the command. I know a lot of Adrift games require getting undressed, entering, using shower, getting out, getting dressed. Because a lot of commands might be used 100+ times, a lot of actions are simplified to a single word as in this case "shower".
I have for some reason hidden the shower object in the description. Will fix. Still getting a hang of this Adrift and what people expect to find.
- Correct about meals. Will expand commands or add further hints.
- Good tips for bus use. Was not intended for this release. But I am getting close to a good implementation for the next one.
- Very good point about press x to advance. Will fix.

- XP will have a purpose in the future. Right now it is not working at all. Numbers all over the place.
- Outfits are just something I have started adding. Still buggy and in general there will be a lot more conversation options added. Frey is the first one as her roof scene is the last one added.
- When certain events can be triggered is hit and miss right now. The first Frey stuff was added before I had a full grasp of Adrift and its failure states and how to word things. Over time most of this will be ironed out I hope.
- The computer can be upgraded. Again am missing hint text that guides the player towards it not being bought on the internet. A lot of upgrade stuff with Scruffy is lacking a lot in clarity. But am going over them to add more hints and responses regarding prices and such.
- The studio is a stub. Didn't even remember I had added a travel option to that. Will fix.
- Will go over the camera buying. You are right.
- Emailing Gem is also badly implemented. Will fix.
- What will happen regarding the "collection" is for a future releases.


A general Adrift note. I am very much still learning. Just found out that a bunch of my implementations did not work as intended because of how it handles failure states. Just as with learning a programming language these bugs can be a bitch to discover and correct. Adrift gives the option to add text when a restriction is failed. But if you have multiple events with the same trigger/keyword it will not check further if there is a failure text in the first one even if the rest might just work fine. This changed a lot of things in how I have to implement stuff. The first group of events still fail because of this sometimes.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.12

Postby Seztworks » Wed, 15Dec09 21:34

Hello all

Added Alpha 0.12 to front page.
No new content. Just fixes. So recommended to new or stuck players. No replay value here.
Still have a long todo list from other comments. So more to come if something is missing here that has been mentioned earlier.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Himeros Hotel - Adult Adrift Adventure Alpha 0.12

Postby Skelaturi » Wed, 15Dec09 23:20

Seztworks wrote:Hello all

Added Alpha 0.12 to front page.
No new content. Just fixes. So recommended to new or stuck players. No replay value here.
Still have a long todo list from other comments. So more to come if something is missing here that has been mentioned earlier.

Thanks in advance.
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saying no new content added, but then saying "Some flavor conversations added. Much more to come", is contradicting to each other. New content isn't pictures only in AIF, its story as well.

PS You work fast.
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