yea i know Rikwar, but i have a habit of helping out people who are swimming in the Lagoon...i do agree tho that they should read through the forum before they ask their questions tho...they will more then likely find the answer they are looking for...doing the quick scan makes things a lot quicker...

Hi, I appreciate your engagement! But, as the thing I learned about the Lagoon, it is useless to tell them to READ.

It is our destination to help anybody, even when he (she ) is asking silly questions!!

Arnulf wrote : Hi, I appreciate your engagement! But, as the thing I learned about the Lagoon, it is useless to tell them to READ.

It is our destination to help anybody, even when he (she ) is asking silly questions!!

I'm a little surprised by your answer Arnulf, isn't that one of the reasons this thread got so long, with first time posters asking a question for which the answer was right above theres I'm not asking them to read the entire thread just read a few previous pages, plus the fact that theres an entire written walkthrough...I'm sure its useless 'or hopeless' for some but I'm pretty sure many do take the time to do some reading !
I dont mind helping someone or sending a PM Arnulf but it just gets frustrating when you answer a question just to have another poster ask the same thing when the answer is right above or just the previous page

As I mentioned Sexychild means well, but the problem is many new members know that and do abuse the situation or have a bad habit of '' I want it now, You owe me, Why should I bother ''.

You are right, Rikwar, but I've learned sometimes its less boring, to give a short answer instead to explain already known things to such silly members. Additionally I've seen that such thinkless members don't stay very long in the Lagoon!

Maybe, they don`t stay very long, but there must be a nest somewhere - there are always coming new ones

60nowise wrote : Maybe, they don`t stay very long, but there must be a nest somewhere - there are always coming new ones

As the saying goes One's born every minute from which comes There's An Idiot Born Every Minute

Well I do agree with you Arnulf that sometimes its less boring

doverfr wrote : am i the only one who lost his off site access?

shall i say that i'm a bit disappointed about this $20 "investment". all we got is: a game not finished, with only one VIP end out of the 2 we should have been waiting for. and all this 2 weeks after the free version of the game was available...
WHat's the aim of having paid this 20 bucks?

To be honest, I'm not sure what you expected. It's pretty obvious that Chaotic isn't a good coder. He has some talent as a 3D artist, but he hasn't really improved as a coder since the original game. His games are increasingly buggy and have shown little innovation.

Like I said months (maybe even a year) ago, there IS potential here. In another couple of years, when HTML 5 is supported in all major browsers and developers have access to the canvas element and web storage, you're going to see a lot of Flash and Silverlight apps move to Javascrïpt. This is especially true in the mobile market. Chaotic is in a prime place to take advantage of that.

Unfortunately, from everything I've seen, he seems content to stay at his current skill level. I mean, for crying out loud, he hasn't even figured out how to solve cross-browser inconsistencies yet. This is circa 2004 stuff I'm talking about. He should be using jQuery for his code base to at least get rid of those issues.

IMO, there's nothing worth paying for on his site. For $20, you can get two good XBox Live Arcade games, or a good game from Steam, games with infinitely more polish and replay value than anything he can offer.

He has some talent as a 3D artist

being an actual 3d artist i take offense to this. chaotic uses downloaded models and poses them (poorly) if you arent familiar with poser, its the laughing stock of the 3d industry because it takes zero skill to use and users are just downloading models and posing them which seems to be a plague amungst the adult game genre.

Luckily, poser is easy to spot a mile away and is never accepted in the cg industry. anyone who claims they are an artist and uses poser is just that, a poser.

/rant.

dest wrote :

He has some talent as a 3D artist

being an actual 3d artist i take offense to this. chaotic uses downloaded models and poses them (poorly) if you arent familiar with poser, its the laughing stock of the 3d industry because it takes zero skill to use and users are just downloading models and posing them which seems to be a plague amungst the adult game genre.

Luckily, poser is easy to spot a mile away and is never accepted in the cg industry. anyone who claims they are an artist and uses poser is just that, a poser.

/rant.

Ooh, hark at you! How about putting your skills where your keyboard is and posting a sexy or erotic example of your art? I would like to be able to be a fraction as good with the material and techniques available to Daz3D and Poser users as some of the talented artists who post on this site

nelena is up! anyone have a chance to play it yet?

On the flip side ... I am a professional programmer and I object to all the programs (and protocols) out there, like Visual Basic, Flash, Silverlight, HTML, that make coding available to the hoi polloi!
On the amateur front I quite enjoy playing with (hold the guffaws, please) DAZ Studio since I have no real artistic ability, so the pre-prepared models, etc. are essential for me to be able to try and do something for the online communities I have dealings with.

Ooh, hark at you! How about putting your skills where your keyboard is and posting a sexy or erotic example of your art? I would like to be able to be a fraction as good with the material and techniques available to Daz3D and Poser users as some of the talented artists who post on this site

I do not create erotic art. I have a career in the film industry that I do not want to jeopardize.

I do appreciate the work these guys do, but calling them artists is just wrong. Would the person who frames and houses the mona lisa the artist? No. Artists create content, these guys manipulate it.


Imagine if you made this beautiful model and was sold to one of these pseudo-3d programs only to see people take a couple of renders and call it their work... would you call them the artist? of course not.

If you want me to verify anything I said.. you can contact me and I will link you my website, portfolio and IMDB page.


again, no offense to the guys who make these erotic games. It does take effort, but they are not making this from scratch by any means. (Although, i believe Shark makes his own models <3

@dest
I understand your point of view, but I have a slighty different one. Chaotic is a different kind of artist than you, but still, in my point of view, an artist.

For programer point of view you 'only' manipulate those programs to create your 3d model. We always use some works from other people to make our own job.

Chaotic is maybie not a true graphic artist. He is not a great programmer too. But he know how to mix programs/graphics/storyboard to make enjoyable games. It's a true creation for me. That why I see him as a true artist.

Have you seen the frame of the Mona Lisa? That definitely qualifies as art in its own right. It may pale in comparison to the piece itself, but that doesn't mean it's not art.

Nelena's a hoot!