Emily: Sister Attraction

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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Dolphin-BR » Sat, 13Jun15 15:37

ExLibris wrote:Themes, yes. Ages, no. In the original version of Camping Trip, both Becky and Melissa were underage. It provoked a lot of discussion on aifarchive, and GB ended up releasing new versions that removed any references to their ages. Since then he's steered clear of that particular can of worms. If you've played SD3 you'll notice that he never mentions the ages of any of the characters. Likewise, in Meteor it's clear that Jenny is a high school senior, and jailbait Ashlee turns out to be an adult.

That said, the rules of this forum only prohibit images.


It's true that written references to characters age have disappeared from Goblinboy's games.
In games like "Camping Trip" and "School Dreams-3" we had underage girls with pretty developed bodies. In "Camping Trip" their ages were mentioned directly. In "School Dreams-3" ages were omitted.

Later, we can see a game like "Gift Of Phallius-3" where although the age is also omitted, in the picture, the character Asha has a preteen body.

But, again, it's a silly discussion. We are talking about an Adult Interactive Fiction game. It is fiction! It is for adults! If someone feels uneasy or offended either by the game theme or language or whatever, he/she can opt for not playing it. If someone is disturbed by reading about underage sex he/she can avoid reading Nabokov's "Lolita". But it is nonsense trying to ban "Lolita" from libraries.
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Morgwen » Sat, 13Jun15 15:46

Dolphin-BR wrote: In "School Dreams-3" ages were omitted.


You can unlock the descriptions by typing "limits".
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Dolphin-BR » Sat, 13Jun15 16:16

Morgwen wrote:
Dolphin-BR wrote: In "School Dreams-3" ages were omitted.


You can unlock the descriptions by typing "limits".


That's correct. But it only applies to the player character's fantasies. The age of the game main characters are never mentioned. Although we know the info because of the previous games.
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Butch_ » Sat, 13Jun15 17:37

how can i watch the movie with emily? i opend the movie case and and have the remote
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Dolphin-BR » Sat, 13Jun15 17:47

Going a little beyond the simple point of view approach, here are according to 18 U.S.C. the definitions of what is legal and what is illegal:

"Any realistic appearing computer generated depiction that is indistinguishable from a depiction of an actual minor in sexual situations or engaging in sexual acts is illegal under 18 U.S.C. § 2252A"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_ ... ornography

In other words: If you look at a picture and you think it is a real child in a sexual situation it is ILLEGAL
If you look at a picture and you think it is NOT a real child in a sexual situation it is LEGAL

"(c) It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of violating paragraph (1), (2), (3)(A), (4), or (5) of subsection (a) that—
(2) the alleged child pornography was not produced using any actual minor or minors."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252A

In other words: If the material described as child pornography had no real child or children involved in its production, it is LEGAL
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Dolphin-BR » Sat, 13Jun15 17:48

Butch_ wrote:how can i watch the movie with emily? i opend the movie case and and have the remote


The answer is here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2971#p65356
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby cheese101 » Sat, 13Jun15 18:31

just to bring this back to the game for a second, when i peek into the bathroom no pics come up, just the message "oh my god, emily was in bathroom taking a shower", even though the shower is ongoing.
this has the dual effect of her never leaving the bathroom, thus i cannot continue the game :P

on to the other issue, i for one aint a fan of underage,however the fact that the model is shown makes me more comfortable, as she is overage. that being said, i would personally prefer if any reference to her age was removed, or age changed to legal
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Morgwen » Sat, 13Jun15 18:48

cheese101 wrote:this has the dual effect of her never leaving the bathroom, thus i cannot continue the game :Pl


Nope, the only effect is that you can't see the pictures... because after Emily finished her shower you get a message that she left the bathroom but nothing happens... this is the end of the demo. ^^

Sometimes is good to read the readme... ;)
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby redle » Sat, 13Jun15 19:32

Yes, the ILSWriter thing is what had me bringing up being unsure how the mods would react. I tried to be clear in my response that all images were perfectly acceptable. For the most part I was trying to point out the direction many game designers use to avoid the discussion, as people have named several direct examples. (I brought it up in what I hoped was a calm discussion in hopes of preventing the first post of the matter to be a panic-stricken OMG which snowballs into flame-wars and arguments [although the lagoon is better than most in this area]).

Age, maturity, and sexual awareness are three separate measures. They advance at different rates for each individual, as well as different rates from each other. Eighteen is a rather arbitrary boundary point. Age is generally completely irrelevant to gameplay. The only reason it normally is put in is to give a point of reference to other events in the game. I want this to happen in a school setting, so what age are people in school being the most common. In your game it's more about giving credence to both people living under their parent's roof and the parent having enough authority to 'send the boy away'.

The age fails this 'giving credence' when talking about the photo contest. I still don't see how you can possibly make that work in the current setup (I assume you have a plan how you will advance that part of the story). Suspension of disbelief is all well and good in games and movies, but it only goes so far. Maybe you will end up claiming they both just wanted to do the act and never had any intention of submitting an entry. They were both just using it as an excuse to explore with each other. But you certainly can't have them entering it, let alone winning it.

Anyway, I appreciate the time it takes to make a game, as well as the designer's right to make the game they want (which has nothing to do with my opinions). Just for me, if I've got to suspend my disbelief somewhere, I'd rather disbelieve that an 18 year old would act so immature, than that the person I'm trying to undress isn't the underage age it states (if I'm already pretending she's the 21-year-old in the picture, then it doesn't make so much sense to not call her 21. Perhaps that's just me). Imagine I'll still check out a future release and see where it goes. When a game drifts into the societal taboo zone, I just tend to enjoy a game more when it walks the top of the fence rather than one side or the other. (like an rpg with a lot of objects lying around... I can steal nothing, or steal everything. But either way it's more about going through the motions. It's much more engaging when I only steal Some things.)
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby jerenyg » Sat, 13Jun15 19:47

Dolphin-BR wrote:
Butch_ wrote:how can i watch the movie with emily? i opend the movie case and and have the remote


The answer is here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2971#p65356



I always get this "At the time,no good could come from watching a movie. But maybe I could watch one together with Emily later?"
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Morgwen » Sat, 13Jun15 20:09

jerenyg wrote:
Dolphin-BR wrote:
Butch_ wrote:how can i watch the movie with emily? i opend the movie case and and have the remote


The answer is here:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2971#p65356



I always get this "At the time,no good could come from watching a movie. But maybe I could watch one together with Emily later?"


You should read the answer in the posted link...

type:"Ask Emily about do", after that you can play the movie and watch it together.
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby jakro1 » Sat, 13Jun15 20:35

I can't initiate any sex, just groping/licking while she's asleep. I have level 3 intimacy and whenever I feel I have her aroused, when I try to remove her panties/top, she wakes up and I lose..


Any tips?
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Morgwen » Sat, 13Jun15 22:25

Who said that you can have sex in this release? As I understand you build up your intimacy level and after the bathroom you can choose which path you follow...
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby Dolphin-BR » Sat, 13Jun15 22:56

jakro1 wrote:I can't initiate any sex, just groping/licking while she's asleep. I have level 3 intimacy and whenever I feel I have her aroused, when I try to remove her panties/top, she wakes up and I lose..


Any tips?


As the author said in the first post. It is a demo version and it finishes when she leaves the bathroom. Nothing is implemented after that.

@Jerenyg
About the movie, in order to initiate the whole watching a movie event, you have to ask Emily about "do".

@Redle
"The age fails this 'giving credence' when talking about the photo contest"
If the submitted photos are not full body pics, they can get away with it. At least until they claim the prize.
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Re: Demo release: Emily - Sister attraction

Postby albert99 » Sat, 13Jun15 23:21

I really enjoyed this Demo so far palmer, can't wait to see more from this game.
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