Emily: Sister Attraction

[palmer_aif]

Skelaturi wrote:
the issue comes with people that just register, have not been here that long and start asking for money through these kickstarter stuff. Shark has made it clear that longtime members he has no issue with. But newcomers shouldn't use this forum as a billboard



Strange, as I just got a private message from him saying he would not like me to post my Pat link. Perhaps two years isn't long enough.

I think that Shark said not to post a direct link, not to avoid to say that you are accepting donations.
You can always link to your page and there link to ***.

Yeah, as I said, it's his forum and he can do what it wants, regardless if some of us agrees or not It's all good!

[LRM]

Time for Lou to pipe up...
LRM just looked at your old posts. 99.99% of them are for your game/site.
Lou thinks, when Shark thinks, your sole purpose is to generate traffic to your site, especially when it's a pay site, Shark gets tense (spelled pissed)!!! IMO, anyone that comes here and actively participates in the community, can get away with damned near anything.
Lou wouldn't be happy if his site either!
LRM is asking we let this part of the discussion fade.
TIA

[palmer_aif]

Time for Lou to pipe up...
LRM just looked at your old posts. 99.99% of them are for your game/site.
Lou thinks, when Shark thinks, your sole purpose is to generate traffic to your site, especially when it's a pay site, Shark gets tense (spelled pissed)!!! IMO, anyone that comes here and actively participates in the community, can get away with damned near anything.
Lou wouldn't be happy if his site either!
LRM is asking we let this part of the discussion fade.
TIA

I'm sorry, but are you referring to me? Anyway, if you are talking about me I should probably clear up a few things. My site is not a pay-site. Everything I do I do for free. There are no ads, and my games will always be completely free. I come here and post updates about my game development because I've been specifically asked by readers of the lagoon to do so. And sometimes I help people with problems they're having with my games. AIF is a dying breed and the last thing we need is game developers that don't engage with the players. Me sad now

[artorawley]

Time for Lou to pipe up...
LRM just looked at your old posts. 99.99% of them are for your game/site.
Lou thinks, when Shark thinks, your sole purpose is to generate traffic to your site, especially when it's a pay site, Shark gets tense (spelled pissed)!!! IMO, anyone that comes here and actively participates in the community, can get away with damned near anything.
Lou wouldn't be happy if his site either!
LRM is asking we let this part of the discussion fade.
TIA

I don't understand this stance. Does this mean now that Leonizer and other LOP creators are not allowed to talk about their games on here, too? Is the issue that you, and shark, think that if people promote their games and ask for financial support that someone's theoretical support money would go toward these creators instead of shark? This is just a very strange and hostile stance to take now, after all of these years, when this forum has been a great source of sharing game creations and helping new creators and established creators in allowing more people to learn of and experience their games.

[LRM]

Trimmed
I'm sorry, but are you referring to me? Anyway, if you are talking about me I should probably clear up a few things. My site is not a pay-site. Everything I do I do for free. There are no ads, and my games will always be completely free. I come here and post updates about my game development because I've been specifically asked by readers of the lagoon to do so. And sometimes I help people with problems they're having with my games. AIF is a dying breed and the last thing we need is game developers that don't engage with the players. Me sad now

Trimmed
I don't understand this stance. Does this mean now that Leonizer and other LOP creators are not allowed to talk about their games on here, too? Is the issue that you, and shark, think that if people promote their games and ask for financial support that someone's theoretical support money would go toward these creators instead of shark? This is just a very strange and hostile stance to take now, after all of these years, when this forum has been a great source of sharing game creations and helping new creators and established creators in allowing more people to learn of and experience their games.

LRM is Shark's agent. LRM must enforce any stance by Shark! It matters not whether Lou agrees with said position.
In this case, Lou is largely in agreement.
If you come here and participate in the entire community I'm always glad to see your posts.
If you come here, meet the minimum requirement to create a thread, and create a thread that's nothing more than an advertisement for your site. Then your only community participation is in that thread IMO you aren't really a member of the community!

Leon, and Co are sort of gray... Members here created the initial links to their work. They initially came here to answer questions raised, not to just beat the "Visit my site" drum.
And if my memory is correct they do visit and comment in threads that don't benefit only themselves.

That IMO is what chaps Shark's ass! It really chaps it when a pay site thread is the only place the owner of the thread posts. Slightly less when a free site.

Read and post in ALL active threads and IMO Shark will give you free rein.

@ palmer_aif; I'm not asking you stop posting anything!!! I'm suggesting you post more often, in threads other than your own. That's true for anyone that posts a link here IMO.

[palmer_aif]

LRM is Shark's agent. LRM must enforce any stance by Shark! It matters not whether Lou agrees with said position.
In this case, Lou is largely in agreement.
If you come here and participate in the entire community I'm always glad to see your posts.
If you come here, meet the minimum requirement to create a thread, and create a thread that's nothing more than an advertisement for your site. Then your only community participation is in that thread IMO you aren't really a member of the community!

Leon, and Co are sort of gray... Members here created the initial links to their work. They initially came here to answer questions raised, not to just beat the "Visit my site" drum.
And if my memory is correct they do visit and comment in threads that don't benefit only themselves.

That IMO is what chaps Shark's ass! It really chaps it when a pay site thread is the only place the owner of the thread posts. Slightly less when a free site.

Read and post in ALL active threads and IMO Shark will give you free rein.

@ palmer_aif; I'm not asking you stop posting anything!!! I'm suggesting you post more often, in threads other than your own. That's true for anyone that posts a link here IMO.

First of all, I'm a bit confused by your post. Who is Lou? Second, I don't think I've ever been so unfairly attacked by a moderator of a forum before I'll address your concerns point by point, just so there's no misunderstandings.
"The minimum requirement to create a thread": How does my original post differ from any of the other game announcements we see here? Why does mine only meet the bare minimum?
"Create a thread that's nothing more than advertisement for my site": Other than the link to where to download the game, I've posted a direct link to my blog on one occasion. Most of my posts are direct answers to questions. I highly suggest you read all of them again.
"Members here created the initial links to their work. They initially came here to answer questions raised, not to just beat the "Visit my site" drum." Completely unfair. Again, read all of my posts, please.
"It really chaps it when a pay site thread is the only place the owner of the thread posts." Again, my blog is not a pay site, it's completely free. I promise.

I find your behavior completely unfair and unjustified.

[LRM]

The moderator is LRM.
Lou is me. I can and do have an opinion!
Lou thinks you need to post in threads that do not benefit only you! IMO Shark thinks so too.
I don't find that the least bit difficult to understand!
I doubt the majority here do.
Lou
You've violated no rules, you've nothing to fear from LRM.

[palmer_aif]

The moderator is LRM.
Lou is me. I can and do have an opinion!
Lou thinks you need to post in threads that do not benefit only you! IMO Shark thinks so too.
I don't find that the least bit difficult to understand!
I doubt the majority here do.
Lou
You've violated no rules, you've nothing to fear from LRM.

Oh okay, I was confused as you're referring to yourself in the third person using two different names. An opinion is one thing, and believe me I get those a lot and I'm totally okay with that, but telling flat out lies makes me a sad panda. Hopefully we can move on from this discussion now.

[Cochise]

The moderator is LRM.
Lou is me. I can and do have an opinion!
Lou thinks you need to post in threads that do not benefit only you! IMO Shark thinks so too.
I don't find that the least bit difficult to understand!
I doubt the majority here do.
Lou
You've violated no rules, you've nothing to fear from LRM.

I don't mean to sound like a douchebag or anything, but shouldn't a moderator of all people be at least clear and direct when discussing forum issues? I'm re-re-re-reading your posts trying to make sense of them, unsure about whether you're speaking about yourself in the third person or if you're another person using LRM's account or... anything really.

I'm trying to make sense of this discussion and quite frankly it looks like you're trolling.

[Squeeky]

Without taking issue with any of these immediate conversations, it is clear that this discussion is getting totally out of hand; we don't need something volatile.

To give some clarity, Lou is LRM.

Shark does not appreciate this Board being a "freeload" vehicle into providing someone else's existence.
He has made associations in the past which do warrant his allowance of certain sites.

I suggest that further discussions on this immediate matter, whatever they be, should be to Shark via PM for clarification.

[LRM]

Trimmed
I don't mean to sound like a douchebag or anything, but shouldn't a moderator of all people be at least clear and direct when discussing forum issues? I'm re-re-re-reading your posts trying to make sense of them, unsure about whether you're speaking about yourself in the third person or if you're another person using LRM's account or... anything really.

I'm trying to make sense of this discussion and quite frankly it looks like you're trolling.

If you were well read in the forum you'd already be aware of Lou vs LRM. Lou can disagree with Shark. LRM cannot openly (we gave a hidden discussion at times) do that. I'm pretty good at keeping the two separate.
Moderators don't get two accounts. We have and occasionally like to voice our opinions. Lou vs LRM is how I do that. I'll not speak for anyone else. Read a few other threads. you may get a whole different view of the Lagoon.
I shouldn't have to repeat myself; LRM is a moderator... Lou is not!
When it's necessary for LRM to chat with you there will be no doubt who you are speaking with.

[JolllyTodger1]

I have to chip in in support of Palmer here.

The dude spent a couple of years of his life creating a top quality AIF game, which he then released for free to wide acclaim and two Erin awards.

His participation here enriches the forum.

To see him compared to a spammer is jarring to say the least.

[tolanis]

Yes i support palmer as well. I do not get the issue here and this lrm person is just confusing and not sure why he brings up the issue of a pay site ? Is it to be a troll ?

[Spontex]

Je me demande si Shark ne devrait pas faire le ménage dans ses modérateurs...

[LRM]

Once again I say this is Lou (not a moderator's opinion).
What I've said, over and over, that is apparently so difficult to understand is palmer_aif's posts are almost completely self serving!
He's made 39 total posts. 37 of them have been to his own thread.
He's made only one post to ANY other game creator's or artist's thread. We have a multitude of both; and only one post to any author or artist?
Even his required intro post, spells out the reason he came here.

Hello, I'm introducing myself in order to post my AIF game.
viewtopic.php?p=65340#p65340

Is this the way a good neighbor acts? I think not!
IMO, as a six year resident, This is most bothersome to Shark. Again IMO the only thing he finds more detestable is advertising for a pay site!!!
A week ago I was a hero for defending incest! Today I point out something I and IMO Shark finds bothersome and you want to hang me.
Lou