Meteor by Goblinboy

[cheese101]

beacuse of the multiple endings of sd3,making sd4 will be quite difficult,also he wants to move on to newer projects(ie ghost,meteor etc)

i prefer to let goblin do what he wants(well i say let,his choice really :P ),be grateful for his work

[xanderhunter]

Edit: Figured it out, go go "use computer" to upload pics x.x

Now I cant figure out how to give 2 photos of Kim, was I suppose to get a topless photo of her on day 2?

[thundergod]

I don't know that the multiple endings of SD3 prevent an SD4. The multiple ways to end The Camping Trip didn't prevent him from choosing one ending as the basis for SD3. And in fact, there's a fairly easy -- in theory, if not execution -- way to deal with what he apparently sees as the difficult character (Becky) in any potential sequel.

But I do think that if he's not into it, he should do whatever he *is* into. Meteor was terrific. And I've seen forced sequels in which the author is clearly not enjoying the process as much, and even if the results are more or less still fun (Sam Shooter IV comes to mind), it's a motivation killer, and often the last thing we see from an author. We don't want to see that out of GB. So if there's never an SD4, that's OK. I'd like to see it, too, but I'd rather have a game about which he's enthusiastic.

[outrider]

By now, I'm sure that anything GoblinBoy does next will be a hit as far as I'm concerned.

[ExLibris]

thundergod wrote : I don't know that the multiple endings of SD3 prevent an SD4. The multiple ways to end The Camping Trip didn't prevent him from choosing one ending as the basis for SD3. And in fact, there's a fairly easy -- in theory, if not execution -- way to deal with what he apparently sees as the difficult character (Becky) in any potential sequel.

But I do think that if he's not into it, he should do whatever he *is* into. Meteor was terrific. And I've seen forced sequels in which the author is clearly not enjoying the process as much, and even if the results are more or less still fun (Sam Shooter IV comes to mind), it's a motivation killer, and often the last thing we see from an author. We don't want to see that out of GB. So if there's never an SD4, that's OK. I'd like to see it, too, but I'd rather have a game about which he's enthusiastic.

Camping Trip only really had two endings, either the PC wins the bet or he doesn't. SD3 fudges those two endings together by making the 'prize' and the 'forfeit' the same thing. You couldn't really do that with SD3 since there are more endings, and they are more different to each other.

I also think SD3 falls into the category of a forced sequel, since it was originally meant to be SD2. Goblinboy ended up effectively writing the game twice, so he could be forgiven for wanting to do something else. Given that he's failed to follow through with either a bugfix release of SD3 or an illustrated Camping Trip, I suspect he's lost motivation where those particular characters are concerned.

Personally, I don't particularly want to see SD4. The characters weren't particularly deep in the first place, and I can't shake the feeling that any sequel would just be 'more of the same'. Given the choice between that and something like Meteor, I'd pick Meteor every time.

Also, spare a thought for Goblinboy as a player of AIF. He's written four of the last six full-length AIF games, so playing isn't something he often gets to do.

[thundergod]

Camping Trip only really had two endings, either the PC wins the bet or he doesn't.

What I meant was that the two possible offscreen endings were "now have sex with Molly" or "now have sex with Kirsty," and GB chose one of them for the sequel, even though I'd argue that Molly over Kirsty means that you "lost" Camping Trip.

It doesn't matter, since the games aren't connected (that is, ending one a certain way doesn't force your path in the sequels), but the target of SD2/3 being Molly means that you chose Melissa in Camping Trip, whether or not you actually did. So obviously GB could do the same thing in a potential SD4...pretend, for example, that the player and Becky are still together, even if one chose otherwise while playing SD3.

It would be interesting to see a game that *was* connected, in that you got a different setup depending on how you played the prequel. I don't mean to actually program the connection into one mega-game, but something that starts with a "how did you end SD3?" quiz...and then sort of reverse the gameplay, in that you work towards one goal no matter what, but start with different challenges and obstacles.

I also think SD3 falls into the category of a forced sequel, since it was originally meant to be SD2. Goblinboy ended up effectively writing the game twice, so he could be forgiven for wanting to do something else.

Oh, agreed. I seriously doubt we'll ever see a sequel, at least one written by GB. And I don't know if I'd want to try to follow his example even if he'd give up the setting to someone else; it's a hard act to follow.

Personally, I don't particularly want to see SD4. The characters weren't particularly deep in the first place

The thing is, I think they could be. Allison, in particular, could be really interesting to explore. Making Mike & Melissa the "villains" they already sort of are, but making that explicit, would be interesting as well. GB's character complexity, while still not exactly the deepest, got a lot better in Meteor.

[ExLibris]

the target of SD2/3 being Molly means that you chose Melissa in Camping Trip, whether or not you actually did

I think you're wrong there. I've no idea why Goblinboy chose Molly as the subject of SD2/3 rather than Kirsty, and it makes more sense if the PC did lose the bet, but there's no authorial fiat that the PC definitely chose Melissa. In terms of the PC's character it makes a lot more sense for him to choose Becky (the girl he's had a crush on for ages) rather than Melissa (the school bike that he presumably could have had a ride on before now if he wanted).

In fact SD3 gives the player the choice (during the truth or dare game) of deciding who the PC had sex with first. Within the context of that game it's a pretty meaningless choice, but it is there.

There is a fanfic continuation of the School Dreams series (with Goblinboy's permission). I did start reading it, but it just wasn't the same. By the same token, I don't think I'd enjoy SD4 if it was written by someone other than Goblinboy.

[fesh_king]

how do you get the scene with laura and jenny with you and dan? I think it's an ending but I can't seem to get it

[aaronburr]

fesh_king wrote : how do you get the scene with laura and jenny with you and dan? I think it's an ending but I can't seem to get it

If Laura discovers evidence of James fucking Jenny on the PC, AND James remains unsuspected of infection (isn't 'cured' at the crashsite), AND (I think) James has sex with Laura while she sleeps, then the sisters FFMM is triggered in the epilogue.

[aaronburr]

I have a couple more queries:

1) Does anyone know how to get the image (from the bonus section) of the girls (Anna+Jenny+Kim) showing their oozing bottoms at the crashsite? Is there a specific command...?

2) What is the most you can discover about Anna while keeping her unsuspected in the end; or rather, if you simply skip catching her with Silvers, is that enough? Do you also have to skip Tammy? Must you not learn even of the receipt or her porn-history...? Does it depend on how stealthy YOU were (i.e. if you skip Ashlee, is it required that you know less about Anna to keep her unsuspected also)

3) If Laura finds the video of her masturbating but NOT evidence of you and Jenny, do you still get the foursome (if unsuspected) or the threat of telling your parents (if 'cured')?

Thanks.

[thundergod]

I've no idea why Goblinboy chose Molly as the subject of SD2/3 rather than Kirsty, and it makes more sense if the PC did lose the bet, but there's no authorial fiat that the PC definitely chose Melissa.

Well, if we consider the games sequential, then technically there is. We're going after Molly in SD3, and we're doing it at least in part because it's the bet between the PC and Mike, which means that we chose Melissa in The Camping Trip. Which, of course, was not really the point of the game...you can do everything wrong and still "get" Melissa, so it's the losing condition. Getting Becky (before the final scene) requires choices, getting Melissa does not. And of course, as you say, Melissa would hardly be considered difficult to catch.

I think my lingering dissatisfaction with SD3 (which is not much in comparison to how much I like it) is, in part, because I think it gets Becky wrong. (The rest is because I think Mike is rewarded for some pretty horrible behavior, when I think the game would be better if he was punished for it.) I don't think Becky wanted monogamy at the beginning of the game, even if she ended up wanting that; certainly she was not acting as if she did, and even by the time of the party, it's being openly acknowledged that she's still having group sex. The "ideal" SD3 would allow a (difficult to achieve) ending in which Becky was a happy, rather than angry, participant. And that allows SD4 without having to deal with the thorny issue of Becky's changed situation.

Or, as I said, it could just be ignored.

[thundergod]

1) Does anyone know how to get the image (from the bonus section) of the girls (Anna+Jenny+Kim) showing their oozing bottoms at the crashsite? Is there a specific command...?

You need to have had a final scene with the three of them (the fivesome scene) and keep examining them. I don't know at which specific point you must do so, but obviously it's after a certain number of actions.

What is the most you can discover about Anna while keeping her unsuspected in the end; or rather, if you simply skip catching her with Silvers, is that enough? Do you also have to skip Tammy? Must you not learn even of the receipt or her porn-history...? Does it depend on how stealthy YOU were (i.e. if you skip Ashlee, is it required that you know less about Anna to keep her unsuspected also)

GB answered this question, in general (ExLibris can give you the specifics) this way: Anna's "infection variable" is based not on Anna's actual condition, but on what you discover about Anna's condition. I *think* the only key trigger scene is the hotel room with Silvers, but I haven't tested the other conditions; certainly the safe route is remaining blissfully ignorant. But I might be wrong about this.

If Laura finds the video of her masturbating but NOT evidence of you and Jenny, do you still get the foursome (if unsuspected) or the threat of telling your parents (if 'cured')?

If Laura isn't angry at you because of what she's discovered on your computer, there's no foursome. The angry confrontation is the trigger (along with having sex with Jenny, of course, and not being cured) for the foursome.

[ExLibris]

aaronburr wrote :

If Laura discovers evidence of James fucking Jenny on the PC, AND James remains unsuspected of infection (isn't 'cured' at the crashsite), AND (I think) James has sex with Laura while she sleeps, then the sisters FFMM is triggered in the epilogue.

I can confirm that all three of those things are required.

Also, (rather bizarrely) you can discover that Anna has had sex with Tammy without Anna being infected. As far as I know catching her actually 'with' Silvers is the only thing that definitely means she's infected, just as James having sex with Ashlee is the only thing that definitely means he's suspected. Everything else is cumulative, and I've no idea how much each thing counts.

[ExLibris]

thundergod wrote :
Well, if we consider the games sequential, then technically there is. We're going after Molly in SD3, and we're doing it at least in part because it's the bet between the PC and Mike, which means that we chose Melissa in The Camping Trip. Which, of course, was not really the point of the game...you can do everything wrong and still "get" Melissa, so it's the losing condition. Getting Becky (before the final scene) requires choices, getting Melissa does not. And of course, as you say, Melissa would hardly be considered difficult to catch.

I think my lingering dissatisfaction with SD3 (which is not much in comparison to how much I like it) is, in part, because I think it gets Becky wrong. (The rest is because I think Mike is rewarded for some pretty horrible behavior, when I think the game would be better if he was punished for it.) I don't think Becky wanted monogamy at the beginning of the game, even if she ended up wanting that; certainly she was not acting as if she did, and even by the time of the party, it's being openly acknowledged that she's still having group sex. The "ideal" SD3 would allow a (difficult to achieve) ending in which Becky was a happy, rather than angry, participant. And that allows SD4 without having to deal with the thorny issue of Becky's changed situation.

Or, as I said, it could just be ignored.

My interpretation of the games is pretty much the exact opposite of yours.

I actually think it's the end of Camping Trip that gets Becky wrong (not as badly as SD2 though). She goes from shy virgin to group sex aficionado *way* too fast, even for porn. I really dislike the fourway ending and epilogue because of that, though the fact that I find Mike & Melissa really unlikeable probably plays a bigger part.

In SD3 it's like her natural instincts are re-asserting themselves. But then the tone of the characters in the SD series is very uneven. There's tension between the caricatures (like Mike & Melissa) and the comparatively normal people (like Becky and Alison).

Becky being happy with group sex would be the 'fantasy' ending. Nice for the player, but not very true to how she's portrayed in SD3 and most of Camping Trip. However, SD3 is a lot more 'realistic' (inasmuch as that word can be applied to porn) than the preceding games, so the closest we get is Becky's crowning moment of awesome when she fucks Molly with a strapon. Sadly that realism is also why Mike doesn't get punished, and I agree he deserves some serious comeuppance (but what does it say about the PC that someone like that is his best friend?).

Personally, my fantasy ending involves Becky and Allison, but I digress.

[thundergod]

Actually, we're not that opposite. I agree that the end of CT is a little unexpected, though I think it's previewed by Becky messing around with Mike and the spin the bottle game; she may be the shy virgin, but she's not *that* shy. In SD3, she (depending on how you play it) has sex in front of other people in the theater, has public sex in an alley, and has sex with the PC in a closet that other people will walk into. I don't think it's as clearcut as either of us are suggesting.

We do agree on the essential unpleasantness of Mike & Melissa. One of the worst things in SD3, for me, is that Molly basically shrugs off both knowledge of the bet and whatever Mike might do with her at the end; yes, it's AIF and yes, she (like Becky in CT) is supposedly overcome by the situation, but the whole thing is really creepy and there should be consequences. It wouldn't be that hard to write, either: a "next morning" conversation where Molly thanks you for relieving her of her virginity and then tells you that your bet with Mike was disgusting and she would prefer not to deal with either of you. Which would be more realistic than what we get.

Melissa's a whole different issue, but a one-off line at the end of CT does actually give her a consistent motivation: trying to make everyone else as much of a slut as she is so she isn't considered the strange one. AIF-logic it is, sure, but it makes sense within that universe.

I also agree that the PC and Mike being best friends says nothing good about the PC.

And finally, I agree that Allison has the most potential as a future character, were there to be a continuance...obviously everyone expects Kirsty, but we haven't even met her yet. In terms of realism, I've always felt that an "honest" sequel would end up with Allison swearing off men. No real evidence for this, just a gut feeling.