Pandora part I

by **Nezumi** » Thu, 15Oct22 22:40

So I have been able to get both the hand on the cheek from Rita and the Scene with Maggie at the end. These are just off memory so will not be word for word.

by **Greenleaftea** » Thu, 15Oct22 22:42

Mortze wrote:I decided not to show the variables for one reason. Some may say it is a good one, certainly lots will say it isn't.

First, Pandora is more a visual novel than a game. My goal was to tell you guys a story and get you to listen to it, not just click around to achieve the sex scenes (sure, that is recomended too, when replaying, I did render sex scenes for a reason too).

Secondly, it is a story about people, their virtues and their flaws. I tried to give life to them all (in proportion to their protagonism), and one part of that social realism I intended to represent are 2 major points:
a) You get to represent the character you are playing;
b) You never know what other people think of you and expect from you, since their expectations always vary.
Having variables showing that you get Maggie points by choosing this dialogue over another one isn't a true representation of realism.

That's why the game has 4 save slots. Because it isn't an easy one. You never know if you are doing alright to please the girl you like. And that's the reaslism I looked after.

It's frustrating? Yes, of course it is.

I don't know if Pandora is a game I would like to play, quite frankly. I get frustrated really fast.
But it was and still is the game I want to make.

As a side note, I am really surprised that there isn't any complete walkthrough there yet. I know people have finished all the paths there is to finish so I know the game isn't bugged, and I'd expect to have one out already by now.

You've missed a vital point though. Unless I'm alone in this, it's taken me over twenty attempts (I lost count at 20 and this is way, way more than I've ever attempted any of the other adult games) to get this and only got one of the endings by trying to get the other and since I have no idea how I did it, I'm unlikely to do it again. A novel is a linear experience, a game is an interactive one and with no visual cues on whether or not what you're doing is right, it will only lead to frustration and players walking away from the game and failing to experience the writing. That undermines your very purpose for creating this.

This leaves you with two avenues to pursue. First is on screen visual cues to guide the player. The other is to release a walkthrough a few days after release. A walkthrough isn't going to spoil the gaming experience, frustration most certainly will. That's my advice, take it as you will.

On a different note, I look forward to Part 2. What sort of time frame are we looking at for release (Weeks? Months?).

by **Mortze** » Thu, 15Oct22 22:53

Greenleaftea wrote:You've missed a vital point though. Unless I'm alone in this, it's taken me over twenty attempts (I lost count at 20 and this is way, way more than I've ever attempted any of the other adult games) to get this and only got one of the endings by trying to get the other and since I have no idea how I did it, I'm unlikely to do it again. A novel is a linear experience, a game is an interactive one and with no visual cues on whether or not what you're doing is right, it will only lead to frustration and players walking away from the game and failing to experience the writing. That undermines your very purpose for creating this.

This leaves you with two avenues to pursue. First is on screen visual cues to guide the player. The other is to release a walkthrough a few days after release. A walkthrough isn't going to spoil the gaming experience, frustration most certainly will. That's my advice, take it as you will.

I thank you for your opinion. Any constructive critic is well received.
If I write a totally linear story, without any choice/consequence, there will be complains.
The opposite, fully interactive story is so hard to do. I apreciate and admire those who can, like Wolfschadowe, but it is beyond my capabilities.
I tried to stand in the middle. I'm sorry you got frustrated. I'm sure there will be a walkthrough soon. Just wait for it and try to replay with it. I hope you'll enjoy the story better. (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really sorry you got frustrated and that I do not desire).

by **Greenleaftea** » Thu, 15Oct22 22:55

Mortze wrote:
Greenleaftea wrote:You've missed a vital point though. Unless I'm alone in this, it's taken me over twenty attempts (I lost count at 20 and this is way, way more than I've ever attempted any of the other adult games) to get this and only got one of the endings by trying to get the other and since I have no idea how I did it, I'm unlikely to do it again. A novel is a linear experience, a game is an interactive one and with no visual cues on whether or not what you're doing is right, it will only lead to frustration and players walking away from the game and failing to experience the writing. That undermines your very purpose for creating this.

This leaves you with two avenues to pursue. First is on screen visual cues to guide the player. The other is to release a walkthrough a few days after release. A walkthrough isn't going to spoil the gaming experience, frustration most certainly will. That's my advice, take it as you will.

I thank you for your opinion. Any constructive critic is well received.
If I write a totally linear story, without any choice/consequence, there will be complains.
The opposite, fully interactive story is so hard to do. I apreciate and admire those who can, like Wolfschadowe, but it is beyond my capabilities.
I tried to stand in the middle. I'm sorry you got frustrated. I'm sure there will be a walkthrough soon. Just wait for it and try to replay with it. I hope you'll enjoy the story better. (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm really sorry you got frustrated and that I do not desire).

You misunderstood me. I wasn't suggesting you should write a linear story. I was saying that your comparison with a book doesn't work because a book is linear, a game is about choice. Nothing will kill enjoyment faster than frustration and, as you've said yourself, you're not sure even you, the author/designer would stick with the game so long given the level of frustration involved in getting to the end. To use your analogy of the book, it would be like turning page after page but the story always going down a dead end route, never reaching conclusion. Would you read such a book?

by **Mortze** » Thu, 15Oct22 23:05

Greenleaftea wrote:To use your analogy of the book, it would be like turning page after page but the story always going down a dead end route, never reaching conclusion. Would you read such a book?

I have! Many times! In gamebooks like the Lone Wolf series and Fighting Fantasy series (Choose Your Own Adventure type of books). I died countless horrible ways with those books!

Either by choosing the wrong turn in a dungeon tunel, or answering the wrong answer to the Patrol Captain. If I'd known he'd send me to prison to rot the rest of my days I'd have answered diferently. But where would be the fun of that?

by **Greenleaftea** » Thu, 15Oct22 23:09

The only other bit of critique I'd give is what many people are saying. The visual age of Maggie. She doesn't look old enough, even if in the story she is. When I first saw her with the other two (the trio section at the beginning) I thought they were her parents. The rest of the girls look fine and are hot but Maggie looks about 14. It's a bit uncomfortable for many people. I don't know if you'd consider changing that to make her look on par with Roos, for example?

by **Mortze** » Thu, 15Oct22 23:19

Greenleaftea wrote:The only other bit of critique I'd give is what many people are saying. The visual age of Maggie. She doesn't look old enough, even if in the story she is. When I first saw her with the other two (the trio section at the beginning) I thought they were her parents. The rest of the girls look fine and are hot but Maggie looks about 14. It's a bit uncomfortable for many people. I don't know if you'd consider changing that to make her look on par with Roos, for example?

I understand that. And I knew it wouldn't please some. And that it pleases others. Making these kind of projects is a gamble. You can't please everyone. Ever.
I can't change her body features to look more like a woman and less like a teen. That wouldn't be logical and that certainly wouldn't be Maggie at all. That's her concept. Look around you, look at 18 or 19 girls that don't use any make up. Some will look just like Maggie.
Look at the actress Chloe Grace Moretz who turned 18 last February. Can you imagine her without all the make up and Photoshop that you see on Google images? It is a fact that some young women look younger, and others (16yo) look dangerously older.
I understand that some people might feel unconfortable with Maggie. The right thing to do would be to close the browser window and do something else.

by **ltpika** » Fri, 15Oct23 05:12

Full walkthrough, don't ignore the bold shit

Take it from there...

by **fauxplayer** » Fri, 15Oct23 06:11

It is a fact that some young women look younger, and others (16yo) look dangerously older. I understand that some people might feel unconformable with Maggie. The right thing to do would be to close the browser window and do something else.

THIS! This right here is one of the most eloquent and concise explanations I've read on the topic of how teenage girls are "supposed to" look in *GAMES* like this and others. BRAVO Mortze.

Maggie looks young because she's supposed to look young. She looks like many 18-year old girls I've known, and she also looks like many 16-year old girls I've known. Anyone who feels concerned about her appearance is either trying too hard to find something that isn't there or has some guilty issues of their own they're dealing with. While at first glance she might not be obviously an "adult", she is obviously not a child and it's clear she's at least 16+ if not 18+ as the game progresses. Don't change a thing Mortze... "The right thing to do is close the browser window" [img]images/icones/icon15.gif[/img]

by **boyo111** » Fri, 15Oct23 09:28

fauxplayer wrote:Anyone who feels concerned about her appearance is either trying too hard to find something that isn't there or has some guilty issues of their own they're dealing with.

I usually think that people who jump on the "she's too young" bandwagon somehow fit this. They are looking for something to critique when there is nothing glaringly obvious, so a design decision is found or trumped up to generate some sort of excuse. This excuse is easy because maturity in a rendered character is subjective and it becomes a simple target. Sometimes its justified, most times it is not. No one is forcing someone who disagrees with the characters to play, so it is as easy to just close the browser. Sure the characters may not suit everyone's tastes, but either deal with it and move on, or stop playing. Its a simple choice.

The game has some great story elements and replay value, as well as some really great artwork so I am taking it as that and moving on. Thanks for the game, and I eagerly await part 2.

by **Dolphin-BR** » Fri, 15Oct23 22:30

Congratulations Mortze! It is a wonderful game so far! I have played it just once, (got the bad ending) but I can see this game offers a lot of possibilities, and I'm sure it deserves to be fully implemented! I'm already anxious to know the second part is ready for all of us to play it! [img]images/icones/icon7.gif[/img]

by **flying_circus** » Fri, 15Oct23 23:51

@ Mortze

I've seen that you haven't received any donations yet. I sincerely think it is not fair, in regards of all the work already done. So I send you a (modest) contribution... [img]images/icones/icon13.gif[/img]

. I wish having primed the pump for a lot of further donations... [img]images/icones/icon10.gif[/img]

Great job!...as I have already said about your previous game. It contains all what i'm looking for, in a game or a story : Sensuality, poetry, fantasy, suspence. I 've understood you can read french, so i continu in the language of Molière, as my english is too bad and poor.

Je suis vraiment impressionné par le soin que tu as pris a faire monter l'intensité dramatique de ton histoire. Ce n'est pas un énième porn game comme en en voie trop, mais un véritable récit que tu nous offre ici, avec des personnages qui ne sont pas archétypaux, mais simplement humains.J'ai vraiment hâte de lire (et voir) la suite! Ou plutôt, de vivre la suite ! [img]images/icones/icon17.gif[/img]

Encore merci de partager ton travail avec les lagooners [img]images/icones/icon7.gif[/img]

by **Mortze** » Sat, 15Oct24 00:32

flying_circus wrote:I've seen that you haven't received any donations yet. I sincerely think it is not fair, in regards of all the work already done. So I send you a (modest) contribution... . I wish having primed the pump for a lot of further donations...

Great job!...as I have already said about your previous game. It contains all what i'm looking for, in a game or a story : Sensuality, poetry, fantasy, suspence. I 've understood you can read french, so i continu in the language of Molière, as my english is too bad and poor.

Je suis vraiment impressionné par le soin que tu as pris a faire monter l'intensité dramatique de ton histoire. Ce n'est pas un énième porn game comme en en voie trop, mais un véritable récit que tu nous offre ici, avec des personnages qui ne sont pas archétypaux, mais simplement humains.J'ai vraiment hâte de lire (et voir) la suite! Ou plutôt, de vivre la suite !

Merci beaucoup pour tes mots d'encouragement. J'eassaye de faire la diférence dans ce genre de jeux érotiques et cela fait très plaisir de voir que il y a une bonne réception à mon histoire.
Tlaero essaye d'avoir le mÊme soin dans ces histoires. Pas étonant que je l'aie choisie pour qu'elle m'aide à démontrer mon art.

Merci pour ta donation. Cependant, à l'avenir, je demanderais que tout sujet relatif à donations ne soit pas aporté sur ce forum une fois que c'est un peu impoli vis-à-vis de son propriétaire. J'espère que vous comprenez.

Merci encore une fois.

by **Gio** » Sat, 15Oct24 11:23

sunset 11 continue is spelled funny :P

great game ty

by **ltpika** » Sat, 15Oct24 17:21

Just noticed heli29 says "Look better at the girls" which should be "Get a better look at the girls". Sorry, don't know how I missed it.

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