Pandora part I

[redle]

Only other comment I have at the moment would be about the Pandora history lesson:

My own recollection of the various renditions I've heard of the tale were not that "hope" was the one thing left within the box. The gift that remained in the box was that of foresight. The story goes that knowledge of the future means that it is set in stone and there is no way to alter it. By not knowing the future, one can always "hope" that life will improve. One can always try to improve things and wish for a better tomorrow. So hope is created by preventing foreknowledge. Hope is the side-effect of the item held in the box, not the item itself.

Hey, really cool data there. Could you send me some sources about it. I'd like to learn more about that detail. The story was told by Roos to Maggie and Kean that don't know a thing about it. She might have omited some details to not make it all more confusing. But that detail might come in handy.

Thanks for the review.

Thanks to all for your critics.

It's been years and more since I heard the story. There have certainly been any number of variations on that tale. I have no idea what the original source of that particular take stems from. I took a quick look at a few sources and didn't notice them taking the exact allegorical slant I mentioned.

Sources tend to agree that Prometheus means foresight/forethought or some variation. Also that he is the initial instigator of the whole tale. Different versions also tend to agree that he gave warning and tried to prevent traveling the path that led to the opening of the box.

The varied interpretations range from hope being a later add-on to the tale that wasn't even present in the original, to hope being held in the box still to this day, to realization that the only thing that managed to keep trapped in the box was hope, and so they actually let that out too (on purpose). Thus nothing actually was kept in the jar.

To some extent one needs only look at modern fairy tales and compare them to Grimm or other early sources to see vast drifting and separation in a single story. It can easily be argued that there is no "correct" interpretation. I just know that many of the tellings of Pandora seemed to want to portray her as someone that did something very bad, but that her last act was an attempt to redeem herself. Of all the variations with hope, the trapping of foresight inside was the only one I ever heard that didn't leave the story completely vague and unexplained.

For all I know, it is an interpretation of my own making. The key elements are all there in most of the variations. It simply depends how one sees them fitting together, and what symbolism they choose to extract. Sorry I don't have the documentation and sources to expound upon the idea.

[jipp]

I understand some peoples dislike of Maggie looking quite young, but for me it really depends on the maturity of the character pursuing her.

Yeah, for me she looks way too young, very child-like. The protagonist being inexperienced doesn't really help it for me.


I hope in the next part pursuing other women and leaving Maggie alone is a viable path to advance.

[BlueManX]

Only Hope was left within her unbreakable house,
she remained under the lip of the jar, and did not
fly away. Before, Pandora replaced the
lid of the jar. This was the will of aegis-bearing
Zeus the Cloudgatherer.

Taken from Hesiod's Works and Days, where the legend comes from. It's hope, it's always been hope, HOPE.

One of the more remarkable things from the poem was the way Hope was considered a woman by considering the word a proper noun and referring to it as "she". Not that this has anything to do with the subject, still it's Hope, not foresight.

[karrek]

Apparently the actual Greek word for what was left in the box was "Elpis", which is most commonly translated as "Hope" but can also be translated as "Expectation". "Expectation" sounds similar to the Foresight redle was talking about, so probably the ideas are related in some way.

[Mortze]

Well, fellow lagooners,

Pandora Part I (not Episode I) is online at PlayForce One. Thanks Leonizer!
That should divert some of the trafic and smooth gameplay.

[lawina]

Absolutely loved the game. I'm not a huge fan of these 'visual novel' type of games, but this is probably the first one I actually played till the end. You definitely have a new fan here.

[Mortze]

Absolutely loved the game. I'm not a huge fan of these 'visual novel' type of games, but this is probably the first one I actually played till the end. You definitely have a new fan here.

Then it's mission accomplished for me. Glad to hear that!

[rmortimer]

I can't get the saves to work. neither on chrome nor firefox. what am i clicking wrong?

[Jiimbojones]

That was lots of fun.

Only suggestion would be a "start over" link somewhere along the line, especially when you get the game over screen.

Nice work, can't wait to see the end.

[Skelaturi]

headsup, been uploaded on Pf1 now

[redle]

Only Hope was left within her unbreakable house,
she remained under the lip of the jar, and did not
fly away. Before, Pandora replaced the
lid of the jar. This was the will of aegis-bearing
Zeus the Cloudgatherer.

Taken from Hesiod's Works and Days, where the legend comes from. It's hope, it's always been hope, HOPE.

One of the more remarkable things from the poem was the way Hope was considered a woman by considering the word a proper noun and referring to it as "she". Not that this has anything to do with the subject, still it's Hope, not foresight.

First, his writing was simply putting pen to paper of a story that was already old at the time. My comment about Hope being a later add-on is not my thought, but others conjectures on studying the origins of the story before it was penned. As for the rest, I really don't want to get into an argument. I simply added an interpretation I am familiar with.

Prometheus offered a warning. (foresight was offered)
Prometheus was ignored. (foresight was left behind)
Evil was released upon the world. (the world suffered)

Whether the story explicitly names it as something left in the metaphorical jar or whether it is only symbolically not released by Pandora wedding the fool rather than the wise one and opening the jar...

As I said, it's one of the many takes on the story. Symbolism is an interpretation, not an absolute. I'm not trying to argue that this is the one and only way to interpret the story. Interpret however you like.

[ltpika]

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Oh, i am very sorry....

So in the last playthrough i did stutter all the way or stayed silent. I did watch the movie with Maggie and she did loose her top in the pool. But she still ignores me in the end....

Do not even touch Roos in the hot tub, have sympathy for Maggie's mom

didn't touch her and the sympathy for her mum leads to the movie. Somewhere in the game i must have made a mistake, but i can't get the maggie ending.

Don't wake her up after the movie. Don't get caught spying. I don't know of this helps but ignore Rita and Farik at the end, Just go straight to dinner.

[Dasati]

Am I the only one who thought of Jessika (briefly in dreaming with Elsa and possibly in the next mortze/tlaero collaboration) when they saw Kaori? Kaori has lighter skin but other than that. Are they the same models with different colouring or am I just seeing things?

[sharksfan]

Am I the only one who thought of Jessika (briefly in dreaming with Elsa and possibly in the next mortze/tlaero collaboration) when they saw Kaori? Kaori has lighter skin but other than that. Are they the same models with different colouring or am I just seeing things?

Nope, you're not the only one

[Mortze]

Am I the only one who thought of Jessika (briefly in dreaming with Elsa and possibly in the next mortze/tlaero collaboration) when they saw Kaori? Kaori has lighter skin but other than that. Are they the same models with different colouring or am I just seeing things?

Same hair only (with diferent colour). Diferent, body, diferent skin texture, diferent face.